Episode 23 is a continuation of the interview with Donald Trump’s rape accuser, Katie Johnson. For added context read EP 21 as well as EP 22, parts 1-3. 

PART 4: ‘Within a couple of weeks I was heading back to New York. Tiffany had sent me some kind of buddy pass for the flight and money for a cab,’ said Johnson. ‘I stayed at Tiffany’s apartment. I remember she had a driver who would take us places.’

‘But when I went back there was a party that night. She (Tiffany) was basically ready when she drove up to the airport to pick me up, my plane had been delayed. I asked her if we could go to her house but basically I changed in the back.’

‘When I got to the mansion it was basically the same thing, kind of meet people, entertain people, walk around. If someone requests something of you then…

‘Again Tiffany said I got requested and it was the same guy as before, it was Trump. And I was to give him oral sex. I had never done that to anybody so I was a little nervous, so I walked up to him and moved in that direction and he kind of slapped me away and said, “what are you doing, you need to put a condom on”‘.

Tiffany ran over and handed Johnson a condom and apologized profusely to the man she claims was Trump. ‘I felt very intimidated, he made a comment that I wasn’t doing it right, that I needed to take classes,’ she said. ‘He continued to let me do it, he didn’t tell me to stop. He said something to Tiffany a couple of time, “tell her to go faster”.

‘Tiffany was close by, then after a little while, I guess he was done with it and he went. I didn’t see him again that night.’

Tears welling in her eyes, Johnson added: ‘I knew it was wrong, I didn’t want to do it, I was scared. I wanted it to be over. I was worried what my dad was gonna think, I didn’t want him to ever find out, I felt pretty horrible.’

PART 5: She was again enticed back to New York for a third time that summer with the promise of a photo shoot and a hook up with a modeling agency. She claims: ‘It was within a few days of the second visit Tiffany called me and said, “You’ve been requested for a fantasy role play”. You could tell she was being pushed at her end.’

Johnson was told she wouldn’t have to participate in another party because it was a private set up with another girl. I agreed, I got the ticket and I did the whole thing of “going to grandma’s” and got a cab.

‘I got to New York and was taken to Jeffrey Epstein’s house. I was taken to a room and it was me and another girl were cleaning and we would have an encounter and he [Trump] would come in.’

She described a sordid role play in which her and another underage girl were dressed as maids and she claims they were forced to ‘make out’ with each other. She alleges Trump – or the man she claims was Trump – entered the room and feigned surprise at seeing the two girls.

Johnson said: ‘Maria was around the same age as me, it was pretty obvious. I felt she was going through the same thing as me, in that she was being forced to be there somehow. So we cleaned and then very clumsily kissed and Trump caught us making out on the job as part of the role play.’

She claims ‘Trump’ ordered the two girls to carry out a string of sex acts on each other and on him. Again he finished and said we both could have done it better and then left. We never saw him again that night.’

She added: ‘At that point, after these three encounters, the type of man he was, I thought that he was a creepy guy, a molester who wanted sex with these girls. He’s older than my dad, I felt like he was evil, I was scared of him.’

Again she went home to Oklahoma in tears but there was to be one final trip to New York.

PART 6: ‘Tiffany would call me and check on me. Then she was like, “Hey I have something”, but she was like, “this is the time though, if you can do this we will set you up. You’ll be getting a contract tonight”. 

‘She didn’t say what agency but she said I would be signed by an agency that night if I decided to go. I was like, “well what’s the worst that could happen”, I thought the worst had already been happening.’

‘She [Tiffany] told me it was a role play but she didn’t tell me what kind until I got there,’ she recalls. ‘And so I’m freaking out, I’m like, so you want to tie me to a bed and play out a rape scene with a man.’

‘It was just going to be that and that’s what he [Trump] wanted.’

Johnson made sure Tiffany stayed in the room and says ‘Trump’ agreed reluctantly to allow her.

‘He was pretty rough with me, I was already tied to the bed. I didn’t really know it was gonna be that, he pushed me around and tore off my clothes,’ she alleges.

She says she thought she would have to stimulate the real estate mogul orally or manually as had happened before.

‘It was like he was going for one thing, it was basically to have intercourse and I started crying and I asked him to stop and I asked Tiffany to come over, but he kept on,’ she claims. Johnson, who says she was a virgin, said Tiffany tried to intervene, but she was pushed away.

She says: ‘It was basically like he was doing it, he was like, “what did you think this was gonna be?” He was very abrasive and I just started crying and I screamed and said “please don’t”, and he slapped me and told me to shut up and then he ripped my panties off.’

‘He had sex with me without me wanting to. He got up and started putting on my clothes and basically he was disgusted by the fact I was crying.’

PART 7: Johnson says she recalls saying to Tiffany in ear shot of the man she claims was Trump that she could get pregnant because he didn’t use a condom.

But she said: ‘Trump basically said that I should be proud that he would even allow me the opportunity and if I got pregnant I could get an abortion.’

With that, she says, ‘Trump’ threw $400 on to the floor in her direction.

‘Tiffany made clear she wasn’t happy with him and then Jeffrey Epstein came in and he saw that there was money on the floor and got mad, he asked if I had asked for the money and said that he was gonna be the one to pay me and said it wasn’t mine to take.’

Johnson said that Epstein also tried to have sex with her but she says she managed to ‘fight him off’ and he got really angry and made a series of threats to her. According to the lawsuit Epstein also raped her on that occasion. 

The woman identified only as Tiffany Doe in the lawsuit, a ‘trusted employee’ of Epstein’s,’ corroborated Johnson’s’ allegations in a telephone call with DailyMail.com, but she refused to reveal her full identity. 

By RYAN PARRY, WEST COAST CORRESPONDENT FOR DAILYMAILOM
PUBLISHED: 23:09 BST, 4 November 2016.

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